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Published on March 7, 2008 By Zoomba In Internet

Over the last few years, streaming music has grown in popularity as more and more people get high-speed Internet connections at home.  The convenience of opening up a web browser and hitting "Play" is hard to argue against.  No more sorting through CDs, or a massive MP3 collection.  And as time goes on, the sound quality has improved to the point where there's little discernable difference to the average user.

The next step beyond just having online radio stations of preset playlists was to let users select exactly what they wanted to listen to, or be able to intelligently suggest similar music based off a small amount of user input.

At the moment, there are many online radio services from folks like Yahoo, Napster, Last.fm etc.  But this article is about two services that compete on a more direct level:  Pandora and Deezer.

Pandora

http://www.pandora.com/

Pandora grew out of the Music Genome Project, an effort to classify music using over 400 attributes to describe songs, and then use a complex algorithm to analyze and sort them.  The result is a system that can take one song, or artist and suggest other similar songs.  In general it's very accurate and is a great way to discover new artists and music.

The service has thousands upon thousands of songs and artists in its library.  There are only a few bands I haven't been able to find in the service, but that's mostly because they're semi-regional and not big enough to show up on the radar.  In general, I've been very happy with the suggestions the site gives me, and have found new artists I really like (Great Big Sea... go listen to them... now).

The big down-side is that you have very little control over what you're actually listening to.  You can have the site build you a playlist based off of The Goo Goo Dolls, and you'll get a few of their songs mixed in, but you don't get to choose which or how many.  You also can't go back and replay a song you really liked, you have to wait for it to come up in the rotation again.  Also, you can't move around within a track.  It gives great recommendations, but you have to take what they give you.

This is because of copyright and royalty issues supposedly, so I can understand the limits to an extent.  The lack of control is made up for by the great suggestion system.

Pros:

  • Huge selection
  • Great suggestions
  • Good sound quality
  • Simple interface
  • Buy music directly from iTunes/Amazon through the site

Cons:

  • Virtually no control over playlists
  • Can not replay select songs
  • Virtually no options.  It would be nice to have more control over how songs are selected for me

Deezer

http://www.deezer.com/

Deezer is the new kid on the block so to speak, formerly blogmusik, this French site has evidently struck deals with music labels to overcome some of the limitations faced by Pandora.  With Deezer, you can play specific songs, build your own playlists song-by-song, or go with their own suggestion system "SmartRadio"

Where Pandora is super-simplified, focused on getting you listening to music as quickly as possible, Deezer aims to give you a lot more control, with a lot more options.  While this is overwhelming at first, it only takes a few minutes to figure out all of the basic features.

Deezer's strength comes in its ability to search for artists, albums or individual songs and then playing exactly the tracks you want.  You can also play pre-built radio stations, or use their SmartRadio recommendation service.  Also, you can add your own MP3s to the service, further expanding your choices.

Deezer strikes me more as iTunes for your web browser, with access to a ridiculously large music catalog.

Since Deezer is a relatively new service, their catalog seems to not quite be as extensive as Pandora, and their suggestion system isn't anywhere near as good yet (but I imagine it will improve with time).  There are also a few features that don't work quite yet, such as creating a playlist. 

Pros:

  • Select individual songs, artists etc.  Play exactly what you want to play
  • A lot of choice
  • Good sound quality
  • Good selection

Cons:

  • UI can be overly complex
  • SmartRadio suggestions are very hit-and-miss
  • Selection seems more limited than Pandora
  • Some features don't work yet
  • Half the pages on the site are still in French

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on Mar 07, 2008
hmm Have to remember to check these out later as I've never used either one.

But right now, after seeing your station names, I have to open Xion and find The Old Apartment, since I havent heard it in awhile.
on Mar 07, 2008
Great article.

I love my music.  I work out of the house and it keeps me company (along with IRC  )

I've been using Pandora for years and love it.  I actually picked up a Logitech Squeezebox so I could listen to it wirelessly without a PC through my stereo.  With the Squeezebox, I have access to my local music, shoutcast, slacker, radiotime, live365, LiveMusicArchive.  It has plugins for XM and sirius.  New music services for me, have to be incredibly good and should play through the Squeezbox.

I'll take a listen to deezer and if it's that good I'll start bugging the communities associated with deezer and squeezebox to get me a plugin.

The fact that deezer is available to Europe is a huge win.  I wish the licensing would get straightened out.

on Mar 07, 2008
I used to use Pandora, and I liked it, but you can't use it outside of the US, so now that I live in Spain I deleted that bookmark for sure.

I'll have to check out this Deezer thing, though.
on Mar 07, 2008

I used to use deezer when it was blogmusik and it was much better than, they didn't limit playing any songs but they probably had huge legal problems... now I just use last.fm or iTunes.  Everyone should check out last.fm if they haven't yet!

on Mar 07, 2008
I'm really so "old" I don't use hardly anything that is available out there.   

This does sound like something though that I want to try. I will probably try both, any advise or just go to the sites and download? Do you have to be online to listen to the music or do you create a playlist and download it? In other words, just how does this sort of thing work?   
on Mar 07, 2008
In other words, just how does this sort of thing work?   


Just head over to http://pandora.com/ and make sure you have flash installed, its all done in the browser!
on Mar 07, 2008

They're both flash applications.  They stream the audio and play it through your browser.  Think like YouTube.

on Mar 07, 2008
yeah, I'm with DarkHelmet - I love last.fm, if only for the 'scrobble' feature.

There's just something gratifying about looking back at my listening history and seeing what gets the bulk of my aural attention. I love it.

Anyone who wants to add me as a friend there, I'm SanChonino there, too.
on Mar 07, 2008
Found a last.fm plugin fo rhte sqeezebox . . created a lastfm account (zubaz25) . . testing.
on Mar 07, 2008
last.fm is picking up my pandora music as well as my local music.    

This could be interesting.

Still a deezer fail though.
on Mar 07, 2008
Nice, Zubaz. Now go add me as a friend!
on Mar 07, 2008
Nice, Zubaz. Now go add me as a friend!
Pending your approval.
on Mar 07, 2008

This article is totally relevant for me right now.

I use last.fm and it is hard to navigate and is driving me bonkers.  Know what's really freaky?  I use the Goo Goo Dolls (Iris) as a jumping off point when trying on line music services.

I am checking out Deezer, and if its too hard I'm off to Pandora.

THANKS

on Mar 08, 2008
Pending your approval.


So approvaled!
on Mar 08, 2008

Hey, I'm listening to Pandora right now!  I like it for background music so it really doens't matter what is playing, as long as it is within that range of "i like it".  They have a feature where you can control your playlist a TINY bit more by combining several 'stations' to create a mix you like based of more than one artist or song.

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