From technology to politics to video games; these are the random thoughts of a geek with too much time on his hands
Or could it be they cater to wider interests?
Published on August 15, 2005 By Zoomba In Virtual Communities
I've been a member of the Stardock Community since November of 2002. I'm nowhere near being one of the early members, and in fact I came to Stardock by a route much different from most. I'm not a windows customization junkie. In fact, at the time my only experiences with WindowBlinds has been under Win98 on a woefully underpowered machine and the themes I was able to find weren't all that great to look at, so I was pretty much turned off by the whole customization deal for quite a while. I came to Stardock when a game news site I frequented mentioned that this company I had never heard of was having a beta test for its upcoming 4x space strategy game, Galactic Civilizations. Now, at the time I was hyped up and waiting impatiently for Master of Orion 3, and I needed my conquer-the-galaxy game fix, so I came running. I gladly plopped down a preorder to get beta access and was sucked into the game.

Over time I started to explore the other sites and products from Stardock. I gave Object Desktop another spin and found it vastly improved since I had last visited the product set, and I found that there were other games for me to play. But to play them I needed a Dregnin subscription, so I got a discounted subscription since I was a GalCiv owner and got access to the rest of the Stardock games. While I was diving deep into the other products offered by Stardock, I stumbled on this site called JoeUser, yet another web log site. The difference here was the community focus and the style of articles written. It wasn't like LiveJournal where people whined and complained because their 8th grade boyfriend/girlfriend hadn't called in the past 2 hours and they missed them so much and how their parents just didn't understand how you two are deeply and truely in love and want to get married and have kids and you'll always be together and and and *gasps for air* Here on JU, it was (mostly) adult conversation. People wrote interesting things and debate/discussion often resulted.

From there I started fiddling with Stardock Central a bit more and noticed the IRC client, so I started popping into #Stardock and #GalCiv and would occassionally jump in on some conversation here or there. in #Stardock, mostly the topics revolved around skinning and the ObjectDesktop suite of tools. Sometimes it would wander and just be about silly fluff, but it usually came back to skinning. #GalCiv was pretty dead since a fair bit of time had passed since release of the game and interest had started to drop off. I frequented the channels off and on for about a year. It wasn't until GalCiv 2 was announced and then we started the JoeUser chat room that I became a more permenant fixture on the IRC server.

Why do I write all of this? Why do I recount my path of discovery as it relates to Stardock and its products and services? Well, because for some reason there are a lot of people out there who seem to think that ALL Stardock does is Windows Customization software and services. While I admit it's the lionshare of their business, it is not all they do. I have been chastised in #Stardock for having the audacity to start a conversation on anything that didn't directly relate to skinning. I've gotten put down for talking about GAMES and TECHNOLOGY before because it strayed too far from the sacred topic. People at WC lament regularly that content that may be relevant but originated outside of the sacred WC forums shouldn't be cross-posted as it is now, as if us unwashed masses are going to dirty the pure clean waters of their holy home. I just want to remind everyone that the skinner is not the only type of community member, it's not the only interest catered to by Brad & Co. Here's a quick list of some of the OTHER things Stardock does, for those of you who seem to have forgotten/been unaware of:

1. Game Development Company
Stardock has developed and released several top-notch games ranging from Lightweight Ninja, a Sonic The Hedgehog like sidescroller, to Galacitc Civilizations a turn based space strategy game to The Political Machine, a presidential campaign simulator. Up on the horizon they have Galactic Civilizations 2, a reinvention of the series in a damn good looking 3D engine as well as Society: The Game, a Real Time Strategy Massively Multiplayer Online Game. There are a lot of people out there who buy and play Stardock Games. With the addition of TotalGaming.Net, a new online game distribution channel, gaming is becoming a big pull to Stardock.

2. Online Communities
WinCustomize is probably the site everyone is the most familiar with since Win Customization is their biggest business right now, but they also have JoeUser, a great blog community that they just haven't started charging for yet. All of their sites attempt to foster community centered on the site topic, and they also attempt to share content across them when posted in relevant channels.

3. Office Productivity
Enter ThinkDesk, the latest tool offerings from Stardock. Right now there's only Multiplicity, which allows multiple computers to be managed from one keyboard and one mouse, but they've got other nifty goodies lined up to go. These programs are catering to a COMPLETELY different crowd than their previous offerings.

4. Unrelated but cool ventures...
Poweruser.TV comes to mind as a pretty cool and really different direction for Stardock to be going in. Here they're addressing all sorts of different topics that span everything they do and more. Games, customization, new technology etc. This is going to bring to the larger community, Power Users who might not have taken notice of Stardock in the past.


Now, gamers may explore and discover that they can also change the appearance and behavior of their computers, or skinners may find a new game they adore, or maybe people from either camp would find some insanely useful ThinkDesk tool that simplifies their real life work. Then maybe they would start posting thought-provoking aritcles on topics that interest them. It's a massive cross-pollination of thoughts and opinions, and it exposes us all here to something new that we might not have considered before. I know I dabble a lot more with ODNT, and plan on buying Multiplicity the second there's a Mac version and will probably poke around with the other tools when they become available. Stardock sucked me in with a single game, but now they have a customer that has bought a wide range of their products from all categories.

I just want you, the elitists amonst the WinCustomize community, to remember all of this next time you turn your nose up at anything that isn't connected to skinning. Remember that there are people out there in the Stardock network that didn't come here to tweak DesktopX, that didn't come here to get the latest ObjectBar skin and aren't interested/capable of making our own themes or whatnot. Remember that we, just like you, are customers of Stardock, we put in the cash just like you and we contribute in our own ways and in our own areas just like you do. We are no better and no worse than you are, so please cut the sneering, jeering and condescending tone you take with us. Stop acting all self-righteous when one of us writes a RELEVANT article in the areas of technology or the Internet and it gets crossposted to your sacred site. We get your stuff too all the time but you don't see us popping in on your threads saying "I don't think this belongs here on JU/GalCiv/Whatever site).

We're all part of a larger community, I hope you can learn to become better neighbors."

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on Aug 15, 2005
oh, and I agree with Cordelia.. you write very well.
on Aug 15, 2005
Thanks *blush*
on Aug 15, 2005
Zoomba, your point is well taken. Although I've not commented out loud, I have wondered "How did this post show up under this topic" not thinking about how Joe User migrates into WinCustomize. There are pleanty of rambilings that go on here, If the topic doesn't intrest me, I just move on to another, without flaming the poster. Maybe thats why I go through life angry, kicking little dogs and taking lollypops away from babies, to relive my frustrations other than on a message board. (he says with tounge in cheek )

Maybe the topics could be better organized on this site so the migration of blogs would be more defined. Untill that happens, we will just have to be courteous enough to keep our mouth's shut if the subject mater doesn't match one's intrest.

Your post here was a good read, and inspired me to do this rambling in reply. I hope I have a chance to see another post of yours (but maybe a different topic).
on Aug 15, 2005

Zoomba. One thing people on WinCustomize regret is being labelled elitist. Perhaps if you knew us better, and frequented WinCustomize more often, you would realize it is not our intention to appear that way. We are fanatics about our interest - that is not elitism, it is enthusiasm. I can't remember any WinCustomite criticizing a gamer or blogger for their interest.

So, why not come and see who we are. Learning about each other is how humans form relationships. Relationships are good things, they lead to communities

on Aug 15, 2005
No harm done.........             Cordelia: I'm STILL at the Eiffel Tower..!!!!   (and I'm getting hungry now....)
on Aug 15, 2005
BoXXi... my comments were direct at those who ARE elitist. And I posted this on JoeUser, not through WC. It got featured over there because some admin or employee liked it.

I believe this is a good example of where the problems tend to crop up. Because I know this section is linked to Joeuser, I tend to avoid commenting on many of the topics. Not because I'm elitist but because I've seen to many instances where a topic got off track due to the assumption the person commenting that it was posted from Wincustomize or from Joeuser. There's no way for us on the WC side to know if the topic is crossposted or not. It's my understanding that you on Joeuser have the "option" to have your topic crossposted while we do not have the same option. I do not disagree about the larger community aspect. It does help to know from what forum a post originates if the topic seems to be at odds with the basic "theme" of either forum.
on Aug 15, 2005
Cordelia: I'm STILL at the Eiffel Tower..!!!!


Mon Dieu! J'avais attendu à la Louvre!
on Aug 15, 2005
er..... ten after three......
on Aug 15, 2005

It's my understanding that you on Joeuser have the "option" to have your topic crossposted while we do not have the same option.

No, actually we don't. Certain topics cross-post automatically, and some on both the JU and the WC side don't realize it. So imagine our surprise when we are told that a post doesn't belong! Especially when it is a post about, say, my computer and it's posted in the "personal computing" section.

Sections that cross over are OS Customization, Personal Computing and (I think) Tutorials. There could be others that I'm not aware of. So by the same token this means any articles posted on the WC side in OS Customization also show up on JU.

This cross-posting actually enhances the community - assuming that everyone realizes that the person they are talking to may not be their close neighbor, but someone from down the street.

Howdy neighbors! Block party, anyone?

on Aug 15, 2005
No, actually we don't. Certain topics cross-post automatically, and some on both the JU and the WC side don't realize it.

Sorry, it was my understanding from a thread back at the start of JU that you had a box you could check to have it show in both.


This cross-posting actually enhances the community

I agree, I'd just like to be able to know at a glance where a post originated to avoid confusion/contention.

Oh...in the WC forum, I believe it's just the Internet & OS Customization sections that crosspost. The tutorials fall under the Article section which at least visibly is on a different page, but ALSO contains the Internet & OS Customization sections. Confusing eh?
on Aug 15, 2005

I think it would reduce confusion [at least]...and certainly help with understanding 'where people are coming from' if the 'average user' could ACTUALLY SEE where a post was 'coming from'.

This WC/JU crossover is good....perfectly good...in theory.....however it's in its execution that it misses a little.

A tiny icon placed on each thread and comment defining the source of the input... would remove any confusion or contention.

'Distinguishing' is NOT 'discrimination', but 'clarification'.

The motivation behind many Blog entries has no specific relevance to the internal WC forums.....only the content may perhaps be of interest to WC-centric skinners, etc.

I think Emily's thread is a bit of a 'case in point'.  Of the 160-odd comments there, sweet bugger-all of them actually pertained to the blog comment....the rest were a piss and moan about one word choice....and a chance for the 'predictables' to take cheap shots at all and sundry.

None of that 'should' have happened...and maybe, just maybe...if the thread source was seen to be a JU blog entry the response might have been different.

As it turned out it was immaturity on the part of some commenters from WC that ran it off the rails so effectively....

on Aug 15, 2005
This WC/JU crossover is good....perfectly good...in theory.....however it's in its execution that it misses a little.

A tiny icon placed on each thread and comment defining the source of the input... would remove any confusion or contention.


on Aug 15, 2005
i'll just add my concurrance for more clarification between the two areas. i can't see the two actually being separated because of the way the new WC was built and i suppose the staff has their reasons for marrying them together.

But my 2cents for the staff is: you've married two completely different communities together but expect things to remain all-ages. A restriction or permission to access might be togglable in someone's user preferences, and at the very least - as jafo said - more clarification on where a post is coming from.
on Aug 15, 2005
*sigh* the point was NOT that we needed to segregate the communities further. While an icon showing it's a JU or WC post would be nice, that is NOT the point. The point was that we're all here, we're all lumped together whether we like it or not and we should try and make the best of it. You don't see people on JoeUser or Galciv2.com saying how we think those dirty WCers don't belong on our site. I was trying to point out how the attitude needs to be dropped wherever it exists. There is a lot to Stardock beyond WinCustomize, and we all have to deal with each other since Brad has said the cross-posting isn't going away.

We have a lot more to gain by dealing with each other than we do by burying our heads in the sand of our respective sites.
on Aug 15, 2005

While an icon showing it's a JU or WC post would be nice, that is NOT the point. The point was that we're all here, we're all lumped together whether we like it or not and we should try and make the best of it.

Ah...but that IS the point....the interaction CAN be improved.  It is not really necessary just to 'make the best of it', but to actively encourage its development.

Here's a thought.....some people here on Wincustomize's Forums may actually be oblivious to the existence of JU....and a simple 'icon of source' might just prick their curiosity...and subsequently enhance and propagate both communities [if one agrees they are two].

It's well and good to expound the virtues of Stardock's versatility but it need not be a static thing, resistant to change/enhancement.

All that's needed is cogent, lucid 'argument' to affect change....cos one thing is definite....Stardock's management does not suffer from the degenerative myopia that currently afflicts Deviantart's 'leadership'....

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