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Published on September 8, 2006 By Zoomba In WinCustomize News

CRN is reporting on the possibility that Microsoft will delay the release of Windows Vista in Europe, depending on the antitrust requirements of the European Commission.

Microsoft and the European Commission are tossing blame back and forth, each accusing the other as being the one responsible for any potential delays to the early 2007 release for the operating system.  Microsoft claims it needs EC response and review of Vista to ensure compliance with the commission's antitrust ruling against the company.  They claim to want to make sure the product is complaint with the commission's requirements before the product goes on shelves, to avoid after-the-fact revisions.

The EC says that review of the product isn't its' responsibility to review the product, that it has presented Microsoft with the requirements to comply as a near-monopolist and that the company has what it needs to release a compliant product.


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on Sep 08, 2006
2008 sounds good...teach the recalcitrant brats a lesson....
on Sep 08, 2006
on Sep 08, 2006
They should ship Windows 3.1 in a Vista box and ask, "Does this comply with your anti-trust rulings?"
on Sep 08, 2006
They should ship Windows 3.1 in a Vista box and ask, "Does this comply with your anti-trust rulings?"

indeed.

Of course the EC doesnt want to review it first. They want to wait until it hits stores, so they can sue, and fund the next air bus.

They can hand out penalties but they can't take the time to level wih MS on progress? What the hell kind of example does that set?

If it were financially possible, MS should "delay indefinitly" the release of vista in Europe. They need businesses and consumers on their side if they ever want to break out from under the EC's black hood.
on Sep 08, 2006
I don't think M$ will do that.

Europe is an important market for M$ and putting VISTA more late on the market in Europe will cost M$ much money.

For the Americans telling just good for Europe and things like that...... look we have laws here in Europe and M$ has to follow these laws like Europe has to follow laws from the US that Europe doesn't like..... (i don't think i have to give examples)

Delaying VISTA indefinitly for Europe.. well M$ go ahead! I will buy VISTA through other channels and more cheap!
Because it is still very strange the big price difference for software between the US and Europe.
on Sep 08, 2006
look we have laws here in Europe and M$ has to follow these laws like Europe has to follow laws from the US that Europe doesn't like.....


Ah, but the European Commission, one would think, has an obligation to fully disclose their requirements to Microsoft prior to Microsoft releasing their product, wouldn't you agree? In an open society, such behavior is the only way that laws hold any meaning. How can a business do business when the governing authority keeps moving the goalposts on them...or keeps the goalposts hidden all together? (That the EC is doing this, by the way, is irrefutable.) An ex post facto ruling by the EC on Microsoft's compliance undercuts the rule of law in the EU by definition. Having laws is one thing, but making sure that all sides play by them--including the governing authority--is quite another.

Europe is an important market for M$ and putting VISTA more late on the market in Europe will cost M$ much money.


Europe is only as important a market to Microsoft as Microsoft deems it to be. The moment that the costs of the endless jumping through hoops demanded by the EC become too onerous, then Europe will cease to be a market of any importance to Microsoft. This is Econ. 101. Now, it may take a lot of onerous hoop-jumping, but there is a limit to what a company can accept. Microsoft just has deep enough pockets to have a high tolerance threshold.

And...can we all drop the M$ bit? That's so 1990s....
on Sep 08, 2006
They should ship Windows 3.1 in a Vista box and ask, "Does this comply with your anti-trust rulings?"

Even better, empty boxes! Be nothing in 'em for the EU to complain about breaching any anti-trust rules

2008 sounds good...teach the recalcitrant brats a lesson...


Recalcitrant yes, but you spelt the other word incorrectly....wrong order and the D & other A are missing. 2525 sounds even better though....Vista would be quite antiquated by then, while the remainder of the world is up to date and thumbing its nose at the OS retards.

In the year 2525, if Vista's still alive,
If The EU can Survive....
they might find.
Vista did very well, even if in Europe it didn't sell
Cos MS told 'em all to go to Hell...
and they found.
In the year 3535, the EU took a nose-dive....
While MS continued to thrive
and they saw
Their silly laws of anti-trust
was what sent 'em bust...
and now they're back to the abacus.....
Cos they got left behiiiiind
(Sorry, Zager & Evans)

On a more serious note, if I were Bill Gates, I'd refuse to stock European shelves and offer the European Community the alternative to purchase Vista via the U.S. or non-EU vendors at at discounted price to compensate for shipping costs, etc. That way European consumers could choose which ever Vista version they want...without the EU telling them which ones are available and with what or not included.
on Sep 08, 2006
lol @ Starkers....
on Sep 08, 2006
I was going to chime in with similar comments to the rest. And then I saw Starker's excellent retake on a song written before MS, the EU, and most computer users were even around.
on Sep 09, 2006
I think RaHarakhte pretty much nailed it.
on Sep 09, 2006
If Vista will be delayed in EU there are stil few countries in Europe that are not in EU so I can buy Vista from there
on Sep 10, 2006
starkers
on Sep 10, 2006
lol @ Starkers

And then I saw Starker's excellent retake on a song written before MS, the EU, and most computer users were even around.


Thanks guys! Funny thing was, I was listening to the song whilst reading this item, and me, being the tongue in cheek larrikin that I am, just had to re-word it to mock the Eu's lunatic position. Okay my words don't exactly fit with the tune, but I think the message is clear....they're effin' idiots (tabsards)

What amazes me is that Europeans went to war in 1939, so as not to be dictated to ....and now, they've given their pollicrats the mandate to dictate what, how, when and where.
on Sep 10, 2006
To all those M$ remoted guys. Europe has as much inhabitants as the USA have. So if they start to sell it more late in the EU, then they will loose sympathy and maybe loose customers. Some guys underestimate the EU. On the other side, when it is shipped later in Europe it might have seen some bug fixes already. This is a good thing Maybe they ship it with SP1 or 2. This would be fine
on Sep 10, 2006
They won't lose customers. Whenever MS brings Vista to market in Europe, everyone will jump at it. MS owns the desktop OS market, and despite all the claims by Mac and Linux users, that hold isn't going to be shaken anytime soon.
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