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That didn't come out how I expected
Published on March 10, 2008 By Zoomba In WinCustomize News

Polls are interesting things.  Sometimes you ask what you think is a no-brainer, a question that could only have one reasonable outcome, but then you're surprised when it turns out to be the exact opposite.  Last week's poll worked just like that.

Last week I asked if users would like to see WinCustomize add a cell phone theme gallery to the offering.  My expectation was that everyone would be up for more customizable content on the site.  More skins = more users and that's good right?  Evidently I was wrong though as the poll came out 56 to 44% against the new gallery.  This is especially surprising considering the conversation on the thread supporting the poll with users generally being positive towards the idea.

Either way, the poll sparked a good debate and was one of our most voted on polls in ages, so it seems the idea at least got people excited enough to vote when they normally wouldn't.

Here's the graph...

For those who voted against, I'd be interested in hearing your reasons why.


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on Mar 13, 2008
Let me be more clear- We are not going to feature something just because it was created by or intended to appeal to females. We feature stuff depending on its quality, which includes technical excellence and usability. Creativity is a factor, but it won't get you featured if the skin isn't technically done well.

Is that clearer?


That sounds much better

You misinterpreted my comment .. mine was just an observation that I had not seen any female type skins featured in over a year. They used to get featured.

My comment was meant to drawn in more female users and ultimately buyers of software and skins.

on Mar 13, 2008
You completely misread what KarmaGirl was trying to say with her comment.  Perhaps put another way: A feminine skin is not outstanding work to be featured simply because it is feminine.  It has to stand on its own merits regardless of style, author or intended audience.  If a feminine skin happens to be released the same time a vlad wallpaper comes out, or a new MikeB skin is released, it has to compete with those to get noticed for featuring.  (I use MikeB and vlad as examples not because they are featured for who they are, their work is featured because it is simply some of the best in the community)

As one of the people who features skins on the site, I pick...
  a) .. what I think is the highest quality item (or items) on the site at the time I scan to feature something
  .. regardless of author, style etc. 

The ability of a feminine skin to be featured is no greater and no more difficult than that of any other skin submitted to the site.

The basic contention though is that if there is a demand for more feminine skins in the community, then it's up to the skinners in the community to provide it.  WinCustomize is a platform for skinners and users to come together, to share skins, discuss them etc.  We've learned a few lessons over the idea of trying to push galleries and content from our end without there being any clear demand from the users.  Look to the Google Gadgets and Sidebar Gadgets galleries.  We made them, featured them, talked about them but the userbase had no demand for them (both at WC and beyond, they're both fairly dead platforms).  We have to go where the community leads us for the kind of content to promote and focus on. 

This cell phone poll shows there is a divide, so it's something we have to reconsider.

I count less than half a dozen items that could be considered "feminine" out of the last 200 uploaded to the site.  If I exclude fractals and logons of questionable source, there are two items out of 200.  One of those is already in the queue to be featured as well.

on Mar 13, 2008
And it seems Karma and I were typing at the same time.
on Mar 13, 2008
What makes something "feminine" or "girly"? Because it's pink or purple, pastel colors, has funky fairies and chubby cherubs on it? I've looked for "pink" skins and they didn't appeal to me. Most of the time, I find a skin I like and recolor it to match my wallpaper, which tends to be more "feminine" in content: the bright/pastel colors, has a hot guy on it, etc.
on Mar 13, 2008
Good to see this is getting sorted.

I think a big part of not seeing more "softer touch" skins featured, is a lack of them being uploaded.

To be featured means it must really stand out quality/professionalism wise.

I would love to see a really awesome "soft touch" suite hit WC, so would the Mrs.
on Mar 14, 2008
[quote]If a feminine skin happens to be released the same time a vlad wallpaper comes out, or a new MikeB skin is released, it has to compete with those to get noticed for featuring.

And everyone knows a pasted Toucan wallpaper is far harder to make than a "femine" windowblind.
on Mar 14, 2008

 

has a hot guy on it

Now..that might get featured..  lol (just kidding!)

To be featured means it must really stand out quality/professionalism wise.

Exactly.  Doesn't matter what the color/theme/etc. is- it just has to be really well done.

 

on Mar 14, 2008

And everyone knows a pasted Toucan wallpaper is far harder to make than a "femine" windowblind.

The effort that somebody puts into something has nothing to do with quality.  Vlad draws all his wallpapers by hand- he creates his own images.  How do you consider that "pasted"? Also, did you compare it to other walls that were submitted around the same time?  It's a very well done wall.  It is original, it appeals to many people, and most of all- it works really well as a wall.  Before you accuse an artist of "pasting" art, you should first look at the library and recognize who is using their own images and who is not creating their own.  As an example, I know of many wallpaper artists who find photos and use them in their walls.  The wall might look nice, but the main images weren't made by the artist.  Those types of walls are less likely to get featured.

 

on Mar 24, 2008
When I think of cell phone themes I think of all those incredibly annoying late night ads that bombard you with tones and wallpapers that cost $4.00 a pop if you TEXT NOW! They are right up there in annoyance with the 'text the scantily clad bot for a date tonight' ads Every glittery teenie magazine is clogged with pages of the same stuff, giant lists of phone themes meant to rip off kids who buy them by the dozen on their parents credit cards The whole idea is pretty horrible to me so I would say no thanks
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