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Mommy & Daddy shouldn’t try to get you out of that failing grade…
Published on August 29, 2005 By Zoomba In Current Events
First off, I’m not a parent. I’m a LONG ways off from having to deal with this situation from that point of view. However, I am a fairly recent college graduate who worked closely with professors and administrators in part time jobs while I attended school so I got to see the system from both student and staff perspectives.

This week, many colleges and universities begin classes nation-wide. Freshmen are flooding into dorms and upperclassmen are returning to apartments and houses for another go-round with classes, parties and football games. For the freshmen, this is a completely new experience. New places, new people, new rules… and no Mom & Dad looking over your shoulder telling you when you have to be home at night or reminding you to do your homework or study. Freedom at last!

Well, maybe not quite.

It seems that in recent years, parents have become increasingly involved in the lives of their student children. Involved to the point where they directly contact teachers and administrators to air grievances over poor grades, a bad roommate or just less-than-idea situations period. Did little Johnny fail his Anthropology midterm? Mom can fix that! How dare you give her angel a bad grade?! She’s sure he tried his hardest and should get points just for that! Who cares if he didn’t get any of the questions right? It’s the thought that counts!

Laugh, roll your eyes, snicker, whatever. That conversation takes place regularly. I’ve seen the emails from parents reaming a teacher for making an exam or assignment “too hard” or demanding too much out-of-class time to finish work. I’ve even seen a student involve his lawyer father because he was CAUGHT CHEATING on a final and didn’t want the instant failing grade, or the judicial affairs information appearing on his transcript. The worst part was the father actually threatened legal action against the professor and the department if his son was failed for it… claiming that it was all a massive conspiracy between the professor and the 5 grad students proctoring the exam.

Parents get involved in dorm room disputes too. Demanding that the other “bad” roommate be evicted, or are simply cheesed-off that their little Pumpkin didn’t get their own room.

Think back to your college days. How many had a difficult teacher? Failed an exam? Had a bad roommate? I’m going to guess everyone who went through college experienced at least one of those (and maybe even all 3 several times over). Now, in days long past, it was expected that the student deal with such conflicts themselves, learning valuable conflict resolution skills, learning to be more independent and so on. Part of the value of college is supposed to be preparation for truly being on your own and having real responsibilities.

Instead, we now have a generation of kids who are used to Mommy & Daddy coming to the rescue over everything, saving them from the consequences of their own actions and making it completely unnecessary to learn responsibility. Most kids I went to school with never had to hold a part-time job as they got ample allowances from their parents. Most were perfectly OK with taking the 7 year path in programs that could easily be accomplished in 4. Most were on the phone with the parents constantly, giving continual updates on classes, exams, bad teachers or whatever, expecting help whenever anything got remotely tough.

At Penn State, parents can not directly access student records. If a parent wants their kid’s report card, the kid has to provide it. This has parents up in arms. Parents also aren’t allowed into the dorms without their kid escorting them. If a kid doesn’t want mom in the building, security can escort them out. This also enrages parents. They don’t realize that these are necessary measures to keep over-involved parents out of the day-to-day lives of the students. How can a student learn to be self-sufficient if their parents are always taking care of everything? Who needs to remember assignments if your Mom is always calling reminding you to do your homework?

Parents toss back the cost of an education as an argument to justify their presence, but they don’t realize that in addition to the classroom education, they’re paying for an intangible education as well, the education that involves learning how to manage time, money, relationships (both good and bad), dealing with conflicts, discovering your alcohol tolerance etc… So on top of classes, you’re also paying for the social education that you can’t provide at home, the experiences that can not be had with Mom & Dad around.

Email, cell phones, instant messaging are all things that have made the situation worse. Parents are in nearly constant contact with their kids today, whereas 10 years ago, it was rare if a kid called home once a week for a few minutes. Parents are more aware of what’s going on in their kids lives than they were before, and for some there’s still the overpowering urge to “parent” and try and smooth the way as much as possible.

Parents don’t realize that there is often more value to be gained from a failing grade than from a grade you didn’t earn that your mom screamed at the teacher for.

Comments
on Aug 29, 2005
I dont remember failing any tests, but I did have a room mate that was less than desirable.  And of Course one prof who decided he did not like me.  But complain to my parents?  Hell no!  It was my degree to earn or not.  Guess a lot has changed in the last 25 years.
on Aug 29, 2005
Of course not, you were being taught how to live on your own, make your own decisions etc...

I think many parents today are TOO attached to their kids and can't stand the idea of them growing independent and moving away.
on Aug 29, 2005
When I was in college, I was married, working, and a parent myself. I was responsible for myself and my family, and had no interference from my parents. They encouraged me and helped with child care, but that's as far as it went.

Looking forward to when my boys are in college, I hope that I will be able to be supportive without being intrusive. College is a good transition from living at home and being a child to becoming an independent adult.

It's difficult not to shelter our children and attempt to fashion a comfortable world that accommodates them, but shielding our children from failure and difficulty makes them ill-equipped for life.

I'm not there yet. Get back to me in 11 years when my oldest starts college. I hope that I will be able to allow him to learn and grow and struggle while providing appropriate support and encouragement.

I do question not allowing parents to access grades, but I suppose the kids need to learn to self-motivate by that point, and so it's not entirely necessary for the parents to have that access.
on Aug 29, 2005

I think many parents today are TOO attached to their kids and can't stand the idea of them growing independent and moving away.

Unfortunately that is all too true.  I married the mother from hell (since divorced her - but my children are suffering her 'love').

on Aug 29, 2005

When I was in college, I was married, working, and a parent myself. I was responsible for myself and my family, and had no interference from my parents. They encouraged me and helped with child care, but that's as far as it went.

When you were in College, you still had your dad!  Tell him to write more!  I love his wit and writing style.

on Aug 29, 2005

I do question not allowing parents to access grades, but I suppose the kids need to learn to self-motivate by that point, and so it's not entirely necessary for the parents to have that access.

Depends on who is paying the bills.  The parents should be able to know if they are wasting their money or not.  Without knowing grades, kids could be screwing up without the parents being involved.  Most kids in college are not independent.  If they are being supported by their parents, their parents should have the right to know what is going on.

However, I don't think that the parents have the right to contact profs or get involved in day to day life.  That just seems kinda' pathetic......

on Aug 29, 2005
The grades thing is part of a blanket academic policy that prohibits parents from calling the shots in terms of classes taken etc. Parents aren't involved in the academic advising or course scheduling process to avoid parents who want to TELL their kids what to take. The grades issue is usually moot as any parent paying the bills can say to the kid "Show me the grades, or I stop paying" It's an attempt to place academic control completely in the students hands and let them involve the parent when/where they see fit.

Also, the academic records system is not in any way tied to the financial system beyond whether or not a student's account is paid up. All accounts etc are held in the student's name (since there are many kids paying their own way). If they wanted to grant access to the payer, they'd have to custom code some stuff and tie systems that are kept intentionally separate for security and privacy reasons. Plus, if you give access to whoever is paying, couldn't then private scholarship givers then get student records? The situation of who should have access to grades gets very complex with how many kids are truely independent now, and returning students etc... The solution is to lock it down to the student themselves.

If a parent wants the grades, ultimately they always get them
on Aug 29, 2005

Depends on who is paying the bills. The parents should be able to know if they are wasting their money or not. Without knowing grades, kids could be screwing up without the parents being involved. Most kids in college are not independent. If they are being supported by their parents, their parents should have the right to know what is going on.

I disagree.  You want to know?  Make them show you before you write a check.  Or make them pay.  They are adults.

on Aug 29, 2005
I don't know what the average age of new college/university students are in the States, but in Ontario, Canada, they've eliminated grade 13, making it possible for 16 and 17 year olds who've fast-tracked eligible to enter post-secondary schooling. While there are a lot of financial gains for both the student and our schooling system for this, the end result is that there are very few 16 and 17 year olds who are capable/mature enough to handle the demands of so much freedom and responsibility. Parents don't seem to be handling it well, either, and expect greater control during their time at school.
Just because you can get in, doesn't necessarily mean just anyone should be there.
Good article.
on Aug 30, 2005
I think what we are seeing here is the logical outcome to a couple of decades of "we don't keep score" little leagues; "no red pencil" school policies; and "never tell little Johnny he's wrong, it might adversly effect his self esteem".

I think the reason for such policies is not so much to save little Johnny's tender heart. It has much more to do with saving parents from having to deal with kids who aren't on the winning team (even though every kid on that field knew who won and who lost)... "That's ok little Johnny, you didn't lose... there was no score"; Mispelled every other word on the report, "look little Johnny, no red, "Jeografee" is acceptable"; and wrote "2+2=5" "Very good little Johnny... (the next time we have this lesson, he'll notice the mistake)."

After 20 years of that kind of teaching and parenting, how surprising is it that parents aren't willing to accept having to face the same questions from their college students?

How dare the professors impose standards!!!! ;~D
on Aug 30, 2005
I think what we are seeing here is the logical outcome to a couple of decades of "we don't keep score" little leagues; "no red pencil" school policies; and "never tell little Johnny he's wrong, it might adversly effect his self esteem".


I disagree that this is the logical outcome. This is a possible outcome, but the same outcome is also possible from over-involved, results-driven parents with children who attended an a results driven academic institution.

I agree that there is a problem with accountability. But not only in academics. I think our culture has seen a big swing from being responsible to trying to find someone to blame. Look at litigation, look at fighting tickets you actually earned. We learned it somewhere, but was it at school? I'm not sold on that, but no real solutions either.

Results only "red-pencil" type education needs to be balanced with that tender heart approach. Note, I said balanced.
on Aug 30, 2005
I agree that there is a problem with accountability. But not only in academics. I think our culture has seen a big swing from being responsible to trying to find someone to blame. Look at litigation, look at fighting tickets you actually earned. We learned it somewhere, but was it at school? I'm not sold on that, but no real solutions either.


Agreed, it is a bigger problem than just academics. However, education is more than just academics. I think our whole "my kids are never wrong" attitude in raising kids has translated to that attitude in all they do.

Your examples work well for my point. Litigation is only necessary because each party are willing to go to court to make excuses about why "I'm never wrong". In some cases no one was really wrong, but in most someone was, and that person knows who they are.
on Aug 30, 2005

Your examples work well for my point. Litigation is only necessary because each party are willing to go to court to make excuses about why "I'm never wrong". In some cases no one was really wrong, but in most someone was, and that person knows who they are.

It is the death of Common sense.  When manufacturers have to put a warning label on a curling iron not to use it in the bathtub because they lost a multi million dollar law suit when some darwin reject did just that, common sense is dead.  And this is just another symptom of it.

on Aug 30, 2005
One of my favorite quotes from one of my college teachers...

"If your arguments are based on why you earned a better grade, my door is always open. If you are coming to tell me why you need a better grade, don't waste my time or yours. You already know why you need good grades. Don't come whining to me after you already decided that you weren't willing to earn them."
on Aug 30, 2005
Okay, I'm an educator and part of what you're saying steps on my toes. It is mainly an emotional response and one that I am analyzing. And in some parts I agree with you.

Yes, I think that kids need to learn how to be accountable and accept responsiblity for mistakes and failure. But in an educational setting, things like a no points game has value when trying to teach people to enjoy the activity for itself rather than simply for it's final outcome. And young children are (in my opinion) more susceptible to taking failure as "I am no good" as opposed to "I need to try again" when we live in a culture of if-you-aren't-number-one-then-why-bother?

I would agree, however, that along this path of teaching people that winning isn't the only thing, that there are some scary deviations.

Yet, our culture gets sold on the concept of lack of responsibility that doesn't happen in schools. While therapy can be helpful, there is also therapy gone wrong, where you pay someone to help you search for someone else to blame for the cause of your problems. Litigation is a concept sold to adults, not to children.

It has much more to do with saving parents from having to deal with kids who aren't on the winning team


Agreed. But I don't think this is a concept that we learn in school. I think this is a message we are bombarded with in daily life. Feel pain? Take a pill. Do something stupid like jumping off your neighbors roof into his pool without permission? Sue the fella for not having the security of Fort Knox. Hate your life? Spend a week on Hedonism Island or go to therapy and find someone to blame. Having the baby of your estranged sister's transvestite husband who still lives her while you are living next door to them? Go on "Jerry Springer." Okay, last was a bad example and I'm not sure what J.S. solves, anyway.

But North American culture is increasing based on the pursuit of pleasure and the banishment of pain and responsibility. This is not a goal of education.