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Your endless rants and whining have helped me see the err of my ways
Published on April 11, 2005 By Zoomba In Politics
This one is for you, the extreme liberals of JoeUser who have spent the past year and a half I've regularly blogged here screaming, stomping and gnashing teeth over the pure evil that is George Bush and the vile conspiracies of the Right. You have helped me further define my political views, my stances on issues and my attitude towards our government and the world at large.

Thanks to you, I intend to re-register as an Independent. That's a change AWAY from Democrat.

I grew up in a University town, an area dominated by liberal thinkers. I saw the countless campus protests all my life. I listened to my father rant and rail against Republicans. My sister went to one of the protests in Washington D.C a few years ago. Several of my friends back home are far far left animal rights and nature nuts. I lived my life in a liberal's dream location. The conservatives were few and generally laughed at, and all was well in our little blue town amidst a sea of red counties. My views fit in well, I was as left as you got and was against just about anything closely related to the Right. I was a Loopy Luddite Lefty and I admit it. But then something important happened...

I went to College, I was exposed to people with different ideas. I later moved away from my hometown, away from the Reality Distortion Field that surrounds any University town and ventured out into the wonders of the "Real World" where I was exposed to even more ideas and differing thoughts. It was from this new distance however that I began to see the sheer stupidity of some of the tactics of the left. Then I saw the way people here were behaving and realized that it wasn't something confined to the little town I came from... it was beginning to look like the insantiy was a bit wider spread.

Add to all of this the last election. Bush won again, and this time there couldn't really be any claims of "stealing" the election or whatever. Yet, most of the people I knew were still screaming, wailing, gnashing their teeth over the outcome. In fact, months later THEY STILL ARE. They try to blame absolutely everything that's going wrong in the US and the World on Bush. World hunger? Bush did it! Trade Defecit? Didn't exist before Bush! Social Security? Bush wants to kill old people! It's just plain ridiculous.

The constant complaining, the irrational hatred is just getting to be too much for me. This sentiment isn't limited to extremists in the party anymore either, we see it in Washington with Dem congressmen voting against everything Bush puts up just because it's Bush. I don't think I want to be associated anymore with a group that has made their sole platform "Everything that Bush says is wrong" It's petty, reactionary and lacks any sense of drive, vision or future. I want out. You all have proven to me that this is not a group to be affiliated with.

Now, I'm not jumping the fence to the Right. I'm still a pretty damn liberal guy on a number of issues, but I'm also reasonable enough to recognize the merits of conservative policies as well. I've grown more moderate as a result of how people here on JU, as well as those I know in real life react to politics. This is why I'm moving to Independent. Sure, I won't be able to vote in primaries, but I will feel more free to vote my mind across party lines. I won't have to deal with people calling me a bad Democrat or whatever. I'll be registered as what I am, one who thinks independently of either major party.

I voted against Bush. I disagreed with the Iraq invasion. I support ongoing efforts in Iraq to shore up the government and ensure the save eventual withdrawl of our troops when the time is right. I am against any law banning Gay Marraige as such a law is entirely based upon Religion which I feel has no place in our laws. I am against attempts to sanitize our language so as to not offend gender, race or creed since attempts to do so stifle free speech. I have a mailman damnit! Not a mailPERSON. I favor help programs for the poor and unemployed as a method to rehabilitate, not as a method to sustain them for years and years. I am in favor of revisions to Social Security to make it a more streamlined process, and less of a political mess. I support the death penalty and am pro-choice. I think we need to be consistent and strong in our foreign policies, but do not think we have the right to dictate to other nations how they should behave.

I'm done with the Democratic party until such a time comes around that it expells its crazy fanatics and actually starts addressing real issues instead of reacting to things they don't like.

Comments (Page 3)
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on Apr 11, 2005
Let us agree to disagree on the issue we cannot agree upon to disagree over.

By the by, great post and some very good thoughts.

- GX
on Apr 12, 2005

Oh, and "thanks, dabe, myrrander, and *others* for helping Zoomba see the light. If you wonder why your party continues to lose power and credibility in this nation, you need look no farther than the mirror.

I guess that makes 6 now who want Dabe around?

on Apr 12, 2005
Whipsy, you and your neocon buddies, ie drmiler, dragonol, mm, drguy, etc., are some of the worst kind of zealots. Just from the opposite side. So don't think your pontification about zealots passes the straight face test. You're an idiotic, moronic, and dumbass zealot. Zoomba, I'm sorry you cannot see that. Just make sure, as an independent, that you don't get caught up in the neocon deathcult's culture of repression, hate, religious interjection into government, keep the gov out of our homes and our bedrooms and our lives. Don't send our best and brightest to a war based on lies, to get killed for nothing other than neocon profits. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
on Apr 12, 2005
Whipsy, you and your neocon buddies, ie drmiler, dragonol, mm, drguy, etc., are some of the worst kind of zealots. Just from the opposite side. So don't think your pontification about zealots passes the straight face test. You're an idiotic, moronic, and dumbass zealot. Zoomba, I'm sorry you cannot see that. Just make sure, as an independent, that you don't get caught up in the neocon deathcult's culture of repression, hate, religious interjection into government, keep the gov out of our homes and our bedrooms and our lives. Don't send our best and brightest to a war based on lies, to get killed for nothing other than neocon profits


And what makes think *your* any better, you low-life, scum-sucking, poor excuse for a moronic human? You want to talk about zealots? Look no farther than your own mirror!
on Apr 12, 2005

You're an idiotic, moronic, and dumbass zealot.

Au contraire, Ma Soeur.  We are not Zealots, but we are conservative.  Proof is in your statement above.  How many times were you called any of those names on this thread?  Yet you immediately launch into name calling.  You lost the arguement before you even started.

on Apr 12, 2005

Look no farther than your own mirror!

Ah, you broke the string!

But dont worry, I dont think she can look in the mirror.  She broke it when it would not say she was the smartest woman on the planet!

on Apr 12, 2005
Dabe... keep it civil or you will be removed from the discussion. And when it comes to zealotry, you've been far worse than any of the conservatives on this site. Consistently you fail to back up your assertions, ignore arguments against your points and fall back on vulgar language and insults whenever you can't come up with an actual argument or point. You and your kind did help push me away from the Democratic party as it is today, because the leadership is tending towards your temper-tantrum behavior.

If you had read the last paragraph or so of my article, you would know that I'm as likely to fall to the extreme right as I am to fall to the extreme left. My opinions on issues hit on both sides just about equally.
on Apr 12, 2005
54-40 or fight!
on Apr 12, 2005
54-40 or fight!


That one has been used before.

But best be careful. I hear Canada might be going conservative as well!
on Apr 12, 2005

Dabe, given that you choose to identify yourself with a W with a cross through it as your graphic, don't you think that you might be just a tad more zealot-like than most people?  I know I'm certainly no Bush fan. 

The difference is that I don't wish ill on any particular segment of society.  I do my best to live my life honorably and compassionately.

Your posts seem to reek with hatred for other people. And for what? Ideology?

on Apr 12, 2005
Seriously, what the hell is a Neocon? I've heard about one hundred different definitions, some of which completely contradict one another.
on Apr 12, 2005
Excellent article & very interesting discussion. I've been made quite uncomfortable by the hatred & venom spewed by some of my conservative brethren here at JU concerning the Schiavo matter - much of it just as vile and inappropriate as dabe's vulgar rants - so it cuts both ways. As the conservative right becomes less tolerant (and when you think about it, true conservatives should be the most tolerant among us) I inch closer & closer to becoming an Independent, from the opposite direction as Zoomba.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Apr 12, 2005
Sorry for the double post - there were some transient server issues apparently.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Apr 13, 2005
Excellent article & very interesting discussion. I've been made quite uncomfortable by the hatred & venom spewed by some of my conservative brethren here at JU concerning the Schiavo matter - much of it just as vile and inappropriate as dabe's vulgar rants - so it cuts both ways. As the conservative right becomes less tolerant (and when you think about it, true conservatives should be the most tolerant among us) I inch closer & closer to becoming an Independent, from the opposite direction as Zoomba.


--I quite agree, and am likewise shifting...
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